Position Forwards Discussion

Which forwards will you be starting outside of Danger/Heeney? (new poll 4/3/19)

  • Gray $526k

    Votes: 11 8.7%
  • Mundy $521k

    Votes: 17 13.4%
  • Menegola $543k

    Votes: 18 14.2%
  • McLean $514k

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Kelly $506k

    Votes: 27 21.3%
  • Boak $477k

    Votes: 11 8.7%
  • Billings $438k

    Votes: 29 22.8%
  • Gresham $430k

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Worpel $396k

    Votes: 20 15.7%
  • Greene $354k

    Votes: 33 26.0%

  • Total voters
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aps1

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If Greene lines up in R1, I’ll find it hard to resist his value. Am I mad?!
Last 4 years

82.5/22, 90.4/21, 96.1/16, 72.5/7

More than happy to pay $400-450k for him when he shows some form, or just a straight side-swap (via dpp) for Rocky, when Rocky does a Rocky thing....
 

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82.5/22, 90.4/21, 96.1/16, 72.5/7

More than happy to pay $400-450k for him when he shows some form, or just a straight side-swap (via dpp) for Rocky, when Rocky does a Rocky thing....
Fair point. My take on the trend was that last year aside, he was trending towards a good Forward scorer.
 

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Fair point. My take on the trend was that last year aside, he was trending towards a good Forward scorer.
Don't think there's much doubt he can score to keeper levels, just whether he'll do it in the early rounds. I think he's pretty likely to be coddled to start the season (possibly low TOG and/or left up forward) and will build into a good scoring role (assuming he doesn't get injured again). Think that doesn't make him the worst pick, but also don't think he'll get too far away from non-starters. Most important point I think is don't trade him out early if you do start him. If he starts slow, ride him out.
 

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I’m half considering Peter Wright at F4.

Yes I know he’s full forward in the worst side in the comp, but I think he could still kick 40-50 goals now Lynch is gone.

If he’s a bust, he can be downgraded to a rookie (and bank $100-$150K).

I think an 85 average is possible and I’m preferring him to Rankine/Lukosius/Rankine at the moment.

Would love someone to talk me out of the craziness.
 

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I’m half considering Peter Wright at F4.

Yes I know he’s full forward in the worst side in the comp, but I think he could still kick 40-50 goals now Lynch is gone.

If he’s a bust, he can be downgraded to a rookie (and bank $100-$150K).

I think an 85 average is possible and I’m preferring him to Rankine/Lukosius/Rankine at the moment.

Would love someone to talk me out of the craziness.
Just read your post through again. Should do the trick.
 

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Darling continues to interest me at F4... Another great showing today. When is Kennedy due back?
2018:
With Kennedy:
120, 42, 112, 132, 125, 181, 81, 14 (ankle), 68, 93.
Finals together: 92, 112 and 80.

Without Kennedy:
89, 112, 90, 62, 95, 39, -1 (concussion), 110.

Take away his injury games and he goes 97/16.
 

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2018:
With Kennedy:
120, 42, 112, 132, 125, 181, 81, 14 (ankle), 68, 93.
Finals together: 92, 112 and 80.

Without Kennedy:
89, 112, 90, 62, 95, 39, -1 (concussion), 110.

Take away his injury games and he goes 97/16.
It's tasty, isn't it.
He also averages 104.5 over the first 8 if you look at his last games against each opponent.
 

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The forward line is opening up again!
The backline is the one I’m having issues with but like the look of this list of 450-550k players better than the backline:

Heeney
Menegola
Mundy
Dunkley
T.Kelly
Boak
Darling

Vs

Whitfield
Crisp
Shaw
Hurn
Ryan
Andrews
Short
Witherden
 

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I’m half considering Peter Wright at F4.

Yes I know he’s full forward in the worst side in the comp, but I think he could still kick 40-50 goals now Lynch is gone.

If he’s a bust, he can be downgraded to a rookie (and bank $100-$150K).

I think an 85 average is possible and I’m preferring him to Rankine/Lukosius/Rankine at the moment.

Would love someone to talk me out of the craziness.
To summarise further, this decision boils down to;

Milera and Wright
Vs
Hurn and my choice of forward rookie
 

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The forward line is opening up again!
The backline is the one I’m having issues with but like the look of this list of 450-550k players better than the backline:

Heeney
Menegola
Mundy
Dunkley
T.Kelly
Boak
Darling

Vs

Whitfield
Crisp
Shaw
Hurn
Ryan
Andrews
Short
Witherden
Yep, combined with a dearth of forward rookies, seems a reasonable choice to go to F4 with premiums/sub-premos.

Dangerfield/Heeney look to be safer than any of Lloyd/Laird/Sicily.

Menegola has 3x years of 100. Mundy and Boak have both averaged over 100 multiple times in midfield roles.

Whitfield, Crisp, Hurn seems reasonable if you then want to look at getting in the 'big 3', but most teams wouldn't be able to afford that with 4 forwards, Gawndy and 4-6 midfield choices.
 

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Tell me if I'm reading too much into this:

Isaac Heeney in 2018

With Buddy: 100/17
With Buddy, removing concussion affected game: 105/16
Without Buddy: 88/4

I can't see any clear pattern in his stats for the matches without Buddy that would indicate a different role, but logic suggests it's harder to play as an M/F without a big leading, marking forward to structure around.

A 17 point difference in average (removing the concussion game), albeit from a small sample size of 4 does suggest a pattern. He's up to 45% ownership - am I crazy to take a punt betting against the field on this one by not starting him?
 
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Tell me if I'm reading too much into this:

Isaac Heeney in 2018

With Buddy: 100/17
With Buddy, removing concussion affected game: 105/16
Without Buddy: 88/4

I can't see any clear pattern in his stats for the matches without Buddy that would indicate a different role, but logic suggests it's harder to play as an M/F without a big leading, marking forward to structure around.

A 17 point difference in average (removing the concussion game), albeit from a small sample size of 4 does suggest a pattern. He's up to 45% ownership - am I crazy to take a punt betting against the field on this one by not starting him?
Been waiting for someone to comment about this , noted the same thing last season.

Without Buddy does Heeney become the focal point in the F50 ?

If Reid is fit and playing and/or Blakey does then that "free" up Heeney more ?

Don't have the stats to analysis.

Not sure how long Buddy is out for but you certainly wouldn't be happy if it was 3-4 weeks or so and started Heeney expecting 100's + and churning out high 80's.

Certainly food for thought.
 

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Not sure how long Buddy is out for but you certainly wouldn't be happy if it was 3-4 weeks or so and started Heeney expecting 100's + and churning out high 80's.
To be honest, it probably won't be noticed by most coaches. At 45% ownership most "serious" players will take be taking him - is there anyone on SCS that isn't at this point?

The advantage would be that if you didn't pick him AND he pushed out 80s and 90s you could get an early jump on just about everybody, with the caveat that you'd need to burn a trade to bring him in eventually.

I'm looking at forward mid pricers 350k-400k range who could put on 50k by R5/6 for a one trade swap to a fallen premo. That premo could be Heeney, could be someone else. Options huh :sneaky:
 
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To be honest, it probably won't be noticed by most coaches. At 45% ownership most "serious" players will take be taking him - is there anyone on SCS that isn't at this point?

The advantage would be that if you didn't pick him AND he pushed out 80s and 90s you could get an early jump on just about everybody, with the caveat that you'd need to burn a trade to bring him in eventually.

I'm looking at forward mid pricers 350k-400k range who could put on 50k by R5/6 for a one trade swap to a fallen premo. That premo could be Heeney, could be someone else. Options huh :sneaky:
Haven't heard anything if they ended up sending him for scans etc

@jaca have you heard how long Buddy is out for ?

I have narrowed my preferred forwards down to 6 , which I know is not the right way to do things , hoping Setterfield is a viable F6 and can find 2 bench forwards that might actually string some consecutive games together.
 

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I don't know to be honest, he'll miss all of JLT but "Should be fit soon". Last year he started with a 170 and quickly broke down...

My guess is they still play him round 1, but if they don't Sydney have a few more talls available this year than most of last (Reid, Menzel, McCartin, Blakey... none are Buddy, but...) so that eases some of the pressure to push Heeney in to fill a void.
 

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Tell me if I'm reading too much into this:

Isaac Heeney in 2018

With Buddy: 100/17
With Buddy, removing concussion affected game: 105/16
Without Buddy: 88/4

I can't see any clear pattern in his stats for the matches without Buddy that would indicate a different role, but logic suggests it's harder to play as an M/F without a big leading, marking forward to structure around.

A 17 point difference in average (removing the concussion game), albeit from a small sample size of 4 does suggest a pattern. He's up to 45% ownership - am I crazy to take a punt betting against the field on this one by not starting him?
How many of those 4 games Heeney played without Buddy did Sydney win? it's a tiny sample size (too small really, to use conclusively) but could it instead relate to Sydney losing games when Franklin doesn't play?
 

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How many of those 4 games Heeney played without Buddy did Sydney win? it's a tiny sample size (too small really, to use conclusively) but could it instead relate to Sydney losing games when Franklin doesn't play?
2 losses and 2 wins in 2018 without Buddy. One of those losses was only 2 pts.
 

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2 losses and 2 wins in 2018 without Buddy. One of those losses was only 2 pts.
hmmm, I dunno what to make of it then. Just going to pretend i never read your comments about Heeney so i can get some sleep tonight.
For the love of God, i need some players i can lock in lmao. :eek:
 

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It's tasty, isn't it.
He also averages 104.5 over the first 8 if you look at his last games against each opponent.
I might be a bit biased but Darling has been a lock for me all summer.

Have been to numerous training sessions this preseason, and he has looked a cut above all others, especially in match simulation work.

Up until that ankle injury last season, he was clearly the best forward in the game on form... 101 & 96 so far this pre-season, looks to benefiting from the one on one contests with the new 6-6-6 rules and I'm backing him in to start the season firing especially with JK easing into the season.

Today's paper reporting JK will take part in an intrclub on Friday and if he gets through that should play round 1.
 
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