Opinion 2024 AFL SuperCoach Planning Thread

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Looking at this Harry Sheezel & Nick Daicos comparison for their first season has me restructuring my side to get Sheezel in.

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Sheezel (left) v Daicos (right)

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He outscored Daicos by 9 ppg in his debut, last year Daicos was must have going into Year 2, yet this season not many are talking about Sheezel at all despite having similar stats. Pros are that he's already a Top 10 player in his position with further scope to improve and has the great North single bye round.

Food for thought.
 
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Not loving many of the value picks through the mid/ fwds currently but I'm sure something will happen pre-season to change that.

Think Gus Brayshaw might move back into a bigger mid role with Clayton likely underdone.
Backing LDU and Freoshaw to be the two big movers into the top 6-8mids hopefully.

Like most, got absolutely zero clue about the forwards.

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I know people say worry about the byes (later ones) when you get closer to them but this team as solid as it is has 7 premo keepers out in Rd 15. The Rd 15 bye is a bit of a bugger this year.
 
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Tom Doedee $380k priced at 68 has a couple of 85's back a bit. Right age for a breakout. Any views on role comp?
Doedoo did his ACL in June 2023 (previously did the ACL in March 2019).
In a mid-December injury update the Lions hoped to have him fit for selection during the middle of next season (2024), sometime around the bye rounds.
Consideration of return to play and return to performance is important as well, given numerous journal articles (both Aus sports and international) states that players tend to return to pre injury performance levels in their second year back from ACL. Would be better suited as a pick up on the waiver wire in draft formats or waiting until 2025/2026/etc for classic as the risk far outweighs the potential reward at his current price point.
 
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Depends on Merrett and if he is pushed out of midfield to give the younger guys more opportunity

Another pre season watch

Could easily take the place of harmes or Jordon in team above 😉
If Hobbs and Perkins are already not getting mid time with years in the system I struggle to see how Tsatas will walk straight in and get it, actually think his contested game and ball use needs plenty of work to be AFL standard aswell.

Things can change but right now he isn't even remotely on my radar.
 
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Thoughts on Conway getting games mate?
I dont think its any secret that I've been a pretty big fan and was impressed how well he played against English coming off basically zero footy, with an injury free run I think he goes past a 33 year old Rhys Stanley pretty quickly, whether its early in the season when hes still in the rehab group after another post season clean up I find unlikely but time will tell.
 
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Consideration of return to play and return to performance is important as well, given numerous journal articles (both Aus sports and international) states that players return to pre injury performance levels in their second year back from ACL. Would be better suited as a pick up on the waiver wire in draft formats or waiting until 2025/2026/etc for classic as the risk far outweighs the potential reward at his current price point.
Interesting info for all those picking Zac Williams, like me.
 
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Current thoughts

Defenders

Likely...
Daicos - Hard to see a world where I don't start him. Could go 125+ and highest averaging player is well within reach. Best captain option and a no-brainer for me despite the bye and increased defensive attention
Sheezel - It's a high-price to pay for a second year player but the analysis above does him justice. They want it in his hands and North should improve. Elite operator
Young - Second half of 2023 obviosuly promising getting that run in the midfield. I don't think he's a must, but worth considering. Elite user but not sure he gets enough of it. Watch.

Shortlist...
Sicily/Stewart/Sinclair - couldn't talk anyone out of these guys but not sure there's much upside to the starting price (bar maybe Stewart). You know the first two are going to miss games...
Ridley - Maybe but always going to be a lock-down risk
Redman - He has stinkers but a huge ceiling. 91 avg probably unders and he's due a consistent 100+ season
NWH - Possible a year too early but he is tempting. Quality.

Others
Himmelberg - Can see the appeal but not for me
Kiddy - Would be a fun punt but too many times with Rich etc. out he just didn't lift like we expected. 11 touches at QT, 19 at full-time butchering everyone's Same Game Multi's with him for 20+

Forwards

Likely...
Macrae - Boring pick but you can probably bank 22/95 and in a weak forward year that's probably enough. Every chance he gets a bit more time on the ball and goes back to 105, he's still an unbelievable kick. Not dissimilar to Dane Swan's bounce back when available as a foward.
L Jackson - Probably for those who aren't running Sweet R3 just to give some cover, but again I feel like he's good for 95 with upside if Darcy goes down injured at any point.
Moore - Surely with natural improvement and a couple of forwards being recruited he pushes to 95-100+. Might be up and down but I think he's a pretty safe pick from a season-long view.
Flanders - Question mark on the coach but clearly a ball-magnet and if he goes 100+ and you're not on him you'll be very frustrated. Probably safer just to pick him.

Shortlist...
No one, this is a putrid list

Others -
Fisher - Close your eyes and throw the dart. Pre-season probably won't tell us much. He could easily go 85 with the right role, and priced at 67 must give some interest. But my gut says he's just not that good and is probably a pass.
C Macdonald - Interesting improver but at 380k it's an absolute death-zone of a price and likely too-hard basket
Daniel - Role risk, not for me.
Greene - Worth thought if ownership is basement lows.
Michito - rollercoaster but a talent.
Taylor Adams - No
Billings - hmmmm. 50k cheaper and you'd have to dabble, now it's probably a pass

Midfield

Likely...
Dawson - Will go another level and give a Brownlow sight.
Butters - Great bye and likely 115+. Just hope to god the body holds up.
LDU - Ditto re body. He can take the game apart. Has obvious Trac vibes but without the risk of being stuck at FF. He can go 125+.
Brayshaw - Went unders last year. Now a good bye and should be fitter. Fix up the DE and Kick to Handball ratio and he's in the mix
Tom Green - We all know it's coming one year, just got to pick the right one.
Walsh - Not in current set up but wow 103 avg is value.
Touk - Probably just have to bite the bullet and swallow the bye. Happy to ignore him being parked out on wing/forward for a month last year post his return. He's a top 5 athlete/runner in the comp and I can't see a reason why he isn't leading the midfield
Steele - Too hard to pass up if the body is right. I know we said that last year.

Shortlist...
Bont - Likely not for me at 725k but he's the best player in the comp and can't fault it.
Clarry - Who knows. Seems like it would be a herculean effort for him to be back to his best, better on the sidelines for me.
Trac - Solid but the 115/85 DT/SC games are a killer.
Laird - Not a bad bounceback play. Good bye. Considering.
Dunkley - Love him as a pick. If it wasn't for the horror bye I would be starting him.
Gulden - Ditto Dunkley. Round 0 has really cooked anyone's originality
Serong - Solid but think I prefer Brayshaw
Parish - Decent sight and probably under-owned
Rozee - Like him, but probably prefer Butters

Others
Warner - Doesn't seem to be a lot of interest. I guess he needs to go 110-115 at that price and he looks more like a 105 guy
Newcombe - Like him but it would be a big leap.
Cripps - Just saying...
Nic Martin - Priced at 88...... got to be a look.
Sheldrick - Not for me but could be fun.

Rucks

Gawn/Grundy - Not going to overthink this one. They're both probably 15 pts under priced (minimum). Too hard to ignore.

Shortlist...
English - Not for me at the price.
Marshall - Worth a look if he gets ignored.
Darcy - Ditto Marshall. 105 ave is pretty tasty. His ceiling is eye watering.
Xerri - He is elite. Will go 100+, just whether that's enough in this company.
 

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Interesting info for all those picking Zac Williams, like me.
The lower the price and the more we start to enter the rookie price range, the less importance should be placed on the potential risk due to the cash upside relative to others, which is the reason for the selection. A reminder to temper expectations for those expecting him to automatically return to the nineties range and to be classified as a keeper whilst ensuring sufficient coverage in case of late outs, etc. I would be taking the money and running when the best opportunity presents.
 
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Defenders

Likely...
Daicos - Hard to see a world where I don't start him. Could go 125+ and highest averaging player is well within reach. Best captain option and a no-brainer for me despite the bye and increased defensive attention
Sheezel - It's a high-price to pay for a second year player but the analysis above does him justice. They want it in his hands and North should improve. Elite operator
Young - Second half of 2023 obviosuly promising getting that run in the midfield. I don't think he's a must, but worth considering. Elite user but not sure he gets enough of it. Watch.

Shortlist...
Sicily/Stewart/Sinclair - couldn't talk anyone out of these guys but not sure there's much upside to the starting price (bar maybe Stewart). You know the first two are going to miss games...
Ridley - Maybe but always going to be a lock-down risk
Redman - He has stinkers but a huge ceiling. 91 avg probably unders and he's due a consistent 100+ season
NWH - Possible a year too early but he is tempting. Quality.

Others
Himmelberg - Can see the appeal but not for me
Kiddy - Would be a fun punt but too many times with Rich etc. out he just didn't lift like we expected. 11 touches at QT, 19 at full-time butchering everyone's Same Game Multi's with him for 20+

Forwards

Likely...
Macrae - Boring pick but you can probably bank 22/95 and in a weak forward year that's probably enough. Every chance he gets a bit more time on the ball and goes back to 105, he's still an unbelievable kick. Not dissimilar to Dane Swan's bounce back when available as a foward.
L Jackson - Probably for those who aren't running Sweet R3 just to give some cover, but again I feel like he's good for 95 with upside if Darcy goes down injured at any point.
Moore - Surely with natural improvement and a couple of forwards being recruited he pushes to 95-100+. Might be up and down but I think he's a pretty safe pick from a season-long view.
Flanders - Question mark on the coach but clearly a ball-magnet and if he goes 100+ and you're not on him you'll be very frustrated. Probably safer just to pick him.

Shortlist...
No one, this is a putrid list

Others -
Fisher - Close your eyes and throw the dart. Pre-season probably won't tell us much. He could easily go 85 with the right role, and priced at 67 must give some interest. But my gut says he's just not that good and is probably a pass.
C Macdonald - Interesting improver but at 380k it's an absolute death-zone of a price and likely too-hard basket
Daniel - Role risk, not for me.
Greene - Worth thought if ownership is basement lows.
Michito - rollercoaster but a talent.
Taylor Adams - No
Billings - hmmmm. 50k cheaper and you'd have to dabble, now it's probably a pass

Midfield

Likely...
Dawson - Will go another level and give a Brownlow sight.
Butters - Great bye and likely 115+. Just hope to god the body holds up.
LDU - Ditto re body. He can take the game apart. Has obvious Trac vibes but without the risk of being stuck at FF. He can go 125+.
Brayshaw - Went unders last year. Now a good bye and should be fitter. Fix up the DE and Kick to Handball ratio and he's in the mix
Tom Green - We all know it's coming one year, just got to pick the right one.
Walsh - Not in current set up but wow 103 avg is value.
Touk - Probably just have to bite the bullet and swallow the bye. Happy to ignore him being parked out on wing/forward for a month last year post his return. He's a top 5 athlete/runner in the comp and I can't see a reason why he isn't leading the midfield
Steele - Too hard to pass up if the body is right. I know we said that last year.

Shortlist...
Bont - Likely not for me at 725k but he's the best player in the comp and can't fault it.
Clarry - Who knows. Seems like it would be a herculean effort for him to be back to his best, better on the sidelines for me.
Trac - Solid but the 115/85 DT/SC games are a killer.
Laird - Not a bad bounceback play. Good bye. Considering.
Dunkley - Love him as a pick. If it wasn't for the horror bye I would be starting him.
Gulden - Ditto Dunkley. Round 0 has really cooked anyone's originality
Serong - Solid but think I prefer Brayshaw
Parish - Decent sight and probably under-owned
Rozee - Like him, but probably prefer Butters

Others
Warner - Doesn't seem to be a lot of interest. I guess he needs to go 110-115 at that price and he looks more like a 105 guy
Newcombe - Like him but it would be a big leap.
Cripps - Just saying...
Nic Martin - Priced at 88...... got to be a look.
Sheldrick - Not for me but could be fun.

Rucks

Gawn/Grundy - Not going to overthink this one. They're both probably 15 pts under priced (minimum). Too hard to ignore.

Shortlist...
English - Not for me at the price.
Marshall - Worth a look if he gets ignored.
Darcy - Ditto Marshall. 105 ave is pretty tasty. His ceiling is eye watering.
Xerri - He is elite. Will go 100+, just whether that's enough in this company.
Did Crouch affect Dawson?
 
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Thanks for the heads up - I think I can rework a few of the premos around. These are my preference at the moment, but agree that there's going to be a lot of issues with byes. I think if I can get it down to 4 I'd be comfortable.

Pretty happy structure-wise though so will try to just adjust around the structure.

I know people say worry about the byes (later ones) when you get closer to them but this team as solid as it is has 7 premo keepers out in Rd 15. The Rd 15 bye is a bit of a bugger this year.
 
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Looking at this Harry Sheezel & Nick Daicos comparison for their first season has me restructuring my side to get Sheezel in.

Footywire Comparison

Sheezel (left) v Daicos (right)

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He outscored Daicos by 9 ppg in his debut, last year Daicos was must have going into Year 2, yet this season not many are talking about Sheezel at all despite having similar stats. Pros are that he's already a Top 10 player in his position with further scope to improve and has the great North single bye round.

Food for thought.
Not sure if any one else has the same thought process as me, but there's so many quality youngsters at north that I wonder whether Sheez moves more into the midfield for his second year? His mid year move to the midfield/ HF role was the worry last year and with more youngsters looking to get their chance that half back role is an ideal starting point for building confidence into young players.
The off season pick up of Zac Fisher as well is likely another that starts around that half back area.

For me he's a watch with the pre-season to see where he starts. If it's down back, then he becomes a definite option. If not, I'll be passing.
 
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The lower the price and the more we start to enter the rookie price range, the less importance should be placed on the potential risk due to the cash upside relative to others, which is the reason for the selection. A reminder to temper expectations for those expecting him to automatically return to the nineties range and to be classified as a keeper whilst ensuring sufficient coverage in case of late outs, etc. I would be taking the money and running when the best opportunity presents.
Spot on Connoisseur. Don't expect him to get back to 100% in 2024, history suggests 10% negative impact to scoring based on work done previously on SCS (likely Rowsus). Need to start him at that price.

Case in point is Libba a few years back, lots of question marks on him at $300k. Had 4 big games to start with, everyone started jumping on him and then he fell away. Still made $150-200k at that elevated price.

Not sure if any one else has the same thought process as me, but there's so many quality youngsters at north that I wonder whether Sheez moves more into the midfield for his second year? His mid year move to the midfield/ HF role was the worry last year and with more youngsters looking to get their chance that half back role is an ideal starting point for building confidence into young players.
The off season pick up of Zac Fisher as well is likely another that starts around that half back area.

For me he's a watch with the pre-season to see where he starts. If it's down back, then he becomes a definite option. If not, I'll be passing.
Yeah, many comparisons to Daicos however he didn't have the competition off the half back in 2023. May have lost a couple of senior guys, yet plenty of young guys been talked about that role too, Merkercher, Fisher amongst them.
 
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I haven’t paid much attention to bye issues but I gather the general idea is to go light on for rd 0 premiums? Currently got 7, all of whom I like.
Think alot will ultimately depend on how well they score in that first game, if theyve dropped a monster and it looks like being a headache to ever be able to bring them in I suspect plenty of people will adjust their starting teams accordingly.
 
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