2015: Rate My Team - Part II (SC Gold Team Picker Edition)
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Yeah mate that one is A. Johnson.
Mitchell is counted as a premo, hard to pick someone 400k with the intent of trading them out.
I haven't really looked at the byes yet, been fairly busy lately, something Ill iron out over the coming weeks. One of Kreuzer/Berger may push out One of the rucks still. Leaning Kreuzer honestly still waiting for him to live up to expectations. 25, #1 pick ruckman he needs to fire very soon or he'll be a failure as a high draft pick.
Mitchell is counted as a premo, hard to pick someone 400k with the intent of trading them out.
I haven't really looked at the byes yet, been fairly busy lately, something Ill iron out over the coming weeks. One of Kreuzer/Berger may push out One of the rucks still. Leaning Kreuzer honestly still waiting for him to live up to expectations. 25, #1 pick ruckman he needs to fire very soon or he'll be a failure as a high draft pick.
Yeah there is always the worry a new player can upset the scoring, but there's also the chance he could enhance his scoring. The Griffin factor is really the only risk with Ward though. I'd like the extra 50k for a Selwood type but I really don't think come seasons end that there will be a big gap between the 2.
Ward for brownlow this year, heard it here first lads 😏.
Ward for brownlow this year, heard it here first lads 😏.
In terms of on field points it's the 5th best mid rookie v the 2nd best forward rookie
Last year say it was say Dunstan on field v JKH?
It's also about cash because that 5th premium mid is probably $100k more than the 5th premium forward allowing that extra mid rookie to be Dom Tyson v $100k mid rookie.
It all depends on the quality of the rookies of course but I do think easing off on the cap hit of the 5th premium mid allows for a deeper starting side. It also allows you the cash to go for the expensive rookies if that looks necessary (this can be a trap sometimes). 5 x $600K+ mids tends to force you into $100K rookie territory. I know those who skipped Tyson last year because he was too expensive regretted it later. He was like a $450K value mid priced at $212K = great value. Arguably better value than a $600K mid depending on what you did with the spare $400K.
All that said, it all completely depends on the rookie crop available in each year.
Last year say it was say Dunstan on field v JKH?
It's also about cash because that 5th premium mid is probably $100k more than the 5th premium forward allowing that extra mid rookie to be Dom Tyson v $100k mid rookie.
It all depends on the quality of the rookies of course but I do think easing off on the cap hit of the 5th premium mid allows for a deeper starting side. It also allows you the cash to go for the expensive rookies if that looks necessary (this can be a trap sometimes). 5 x $600K+ mids tends to force you into $100K rookie territory. I know those who skipped Tyson last year because he was too expensive regretted it later. He was like a $450K value mid priced at $212K = great value. Arguably better value than a $600K mid depending on what you did with the spare $400K.
All that said, it all completely depends on the rookie crop available in each year.
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DEF: B. Smith, M. Hibberd, G. Birchall, B. Waters, S. Edwards, M. Fuller (H. Goddard, B. Maynard)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, S. Pendlebury, J. Selwood, R. Sloane, P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, B. Boekhorst, A. Vandenberg (N. Freeman, N. O'Brien, N. Krakouer)
RUC: N. Naitanui, M. Leuenberger (T. Read)
FWD: B. Deledio, B. Goddard, D. Martin, D. Swan, T. Bellchambers, M. Clark (J. Hogan, J. Steele)
CASH LEFT: $20,100
13 Keepers
Byes are 3/4/1 - 3/5/3 - 1/0/2 - 2/3/3 = 9/12/9 so pretty happy with that for now.
Not 100% sold on Sloane and Smith yet as I’m not sure how a new coach will affect them..
DEF: B. Smith, M. Hibberd, G. Birchall, B. Waters, S. Edwards, M. Fuller (H. Goddard, B. Maynard)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, S. Pendlebury, J. Selwood, R. Sloane, P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, B. Boekhorst, A. Vandenberg (N. Freeman, N. O'Brien, N. Krakouer)
RUC: N. Naitanui, M. Leuenberger (T. Read)
FWD: B. Deledio, B. Goddard, D. Martin, D. Swan, T. Bellchambers, M. Clark (J. Hogan, J. Steele)
CASH LEFT: $20,100
13 Keepers
Byes are 3/4/1 - 3/5/3 - 1/0/2 - 2/3/3 = 9/12/9 so pretty happy with that for now.
Not 100% sold on Sloane and Smith yet as I’m not sure how a new coach will affect them..
I said I wasnt going to touch this until the preseason games but on holidays so ended up having a play lol.
Shaw, Hibberd, Birchall, Waters, Ibbotson, Moore (Goddard, Maynard)
Ablett, Pendlebury, Fyfe, Griffen, Steven, Rich, Heeney, Boekhorst (Vandenberg, Laverde, Freeman)
Goldstein, Naitanui (Nankervis)
Swan, Deledio, Goddard, Clark, Saad, Hogan (Steele, Daniel)
Ibbotson and Rich are equity in my loan lol. Selling them to a rookie I'm sure on can give me funds to get Jacobs in or improve Rich/Steven.
Shaw, Hibberd, Birchall, Waters, Ibbotson, Moore (Goddard, Maynard)
Ablett, Pendlebury, Fyfe, Griffen, Steven, Rich, Heeney, Boekhorst (Vandenberg, Laverde, Freeman)
Goldstein, Naitanui (Nankervis)
Swan, Deledio, Goddard, Clark, Saad, Hogan (Steele, Daniel)
Ibbotson and Rich are equity in my loan lol. Selling them to a rookie I'm sure on can give me funds to get Jacobs in or improve Rich/Steven.
Hi Fluffy
Allow me to explain. This is just what I said that I was comfortable with doing. By all means you should get that 5th premium mid if that's what you are comfortable with. However you said that the M11 would have to be compared to the 3rd best defence rookie, but I think you really should be comparing the 5th best defence rookie overall with the M11 tbh. There was a lack of back rookies in 2014 who were able to generate cash. The following is a list of all defence rookies that played from round 1 onwards along with their first score plus a little description of how much cash they made before their bye rounds.
Rookie Defenders from Round 1
Tom Langdon - 111: GOOD. Made $194k before his bye round.
Will Langford - 77: GOOD. Made $158k before his bye round.
Jeremy Laidler - 95: He had a high starting price and he missed his 2nd game despite being the top scorer for the whole of the Sydney Team. Made $115k before his bye round.
Luke McDonald - 48: Had a high starting price. Made $111k before his bye round.
Alexis Georgiou - 66: Played the first 7 games (his only 7 games of AFL) at an average of 45 so did not generate much cash. Made $83k before his bye round.
[The following rookies didn't play much]
Clay Cameron - 50: Played his first 4 games for an average of 44 points a game and did not play his next game until round 11. Made $29k
Tom Clurey - 31: This was his first and last game of 2014 so he did not generate any cash for any of the poor souls who started him.
Brodie Martin - 42: Played as the starting sub in round 7 and then didn't play another game until round 9. So he did not generate any cash before his bye round, in fact he lost $800 after his 3rd game.
Rookie Midfielders from Round 1
Jared Polec- 107: Made $274k
Dom Tyson - 111: Made $241k
Luke Dunstan - 100: Made $194k
Jamie Bennell - 68: Made $180k
James Aish - 61: Made $173k
Harry Cunningham - 66: Made $159k
Martin Gleeson - 59: Made $149k 7 games
Xavier Ellis - 66: Made $120k
[Others rookies who played round 1]
David Ellard - 120
Josh Saunders - 112
Viv Michie - 61
Eli Templeton - 44
Sean Lemmens - 37
Brad McKenzie - 35
Derick Wanganeen - 11
Jack Martin - 9
Dom Sheed - 7
As you can see even if I compared the the 3rd best defence rookie Laidler with the 7th best mid rookie Gleeson. Gleeson beats laidler on cash generation even though it wasn't much. But you really should be comparing the D8 with M11 which is about $66k which is almost double what Georgiou made. Also Georgiou didnt have much job security and couldn't make his way back into the squad. In a sense Georigou became dead weight and didn't make a hell of a lot. Gleeson ended up getting injured but had made a decent amount of cash by then.
So for example if this format was for last year it wud be something like this:
D5 Langdon, D6 Langford, (D7 Laidler, Lmac)
M4 Polec, M5 Tyson, M6 Dunstan, D7 Bennell, M8 Aish (M9 Cunningham, M10 Gleeson, M11 Ellis)
Of course this was only for 2014 so if more defence rookies pop up during the preseason, it would sway my decision but for now 4 premium mids & 7 rookies for me it is.
Allow me to explain. This is just what I said that I was comfortable with doing. By all means you should get that 5th premium mid if that's what you are comfortable with. However you said that the M11 would have to be compared to the 3rd best defence rookie, but I think you really should be comparing the 5th best defence rookie overall with the M11 tbh. There was a lack of back rookies in 2014 who were able to generate cash. The following is a list of all defence rookies that played from round 1 onwards along with their first score plus a little description of how much cash they made before their bye rounds.
Rookie Defenders from Round 1
Tom Langdon - 111: GOOD. Made $194k before his bye round.
Will Langford - 77: GOOD. Made $158k before his bye round.
Jeremy Laidler - 95: He had a high starting price and he missed his 2nd game despite being the top scorer for the whole of the Sydney Team. Made $115k before his bye round.
Luke McDonald - 48: Had a high starting price. Made $111k before his bye round.
Alexis Georgiou - 66: Played the first 7 games (his only 7 games of AFL) at an average of 45 so did not generate much cash. Made $83k before his bye round.
[The following rookies didn't play much]
Clay Cameron - 50: Played his first 4 games for an average of 44 points a game and did not play his next game until round 11. Made $29k
Tom Clurey - 31: This was his first and last game of 2014 so he did not generate any cash for any of the poor souls who started him.
Brodie Martin - 42: Played as the starting sub in round 7 and then didn't play another game until round 9. So he did not generate any cash before his bye round, in fact he lost $800 after his 3rd game.
Rookie Midfielders from Round 1
Jared Polec- 107: Made $274k
Dom Tyson - 111: Made $241k
Luke Dunstan - 100: Made $194k
Jamie Bennell - 68: Made $180k
James Aish - 61: Made $173k
Harry Cunningham - 66: Made $159k
Martin Gleeson - 59: Made $149k 7 games
Xavier Ellis - 66: Made $120k
[Others rookies who played round 1]
David Ellard - 120
Josh Saunders - 112
Viv Michie - 61
Eli Templeton - 44
Sean Lemmens - 37
Brad McKenzie - 35
Derick Wanganeen - 11
Jack Martin - 9
Dom Sheed - 7
As you can see even if I compared the the 3rd best defence rookie Laidler with the 7th best mid rookie Gleeson. Gleeson beats laidler on cash generation even though it wasn't much. But you really should be comparing the D8 with M11 which is about $66k which is almost double what Georgiou made. Also Georgiou didnt have much job security and couldn't make his way back into the squad. In a sense Georigou became dead weight and didn't make a hell of a lot. Gleeson ended up getting injured but had made a decent amount of cash by then.
So for example if this format was for last year it wud be something like this:
D5 Langdon, D6 Langford, (D7 Laidler, Lmac)
M4 Polec, M5 Tyson, M6 Dunstan, D7 Bennell, M8 Aish (M9 Cunningham, M10 Gleeson, M11 Ellis)
Of course this was only for 2014 so if more defence rookies pop up during the preseason, it would sway my decision but for now 4 premium mids & 7 rookies for me it is.
Hey guys, it's been a while. Wasn't sure I was gonna commit for another season but couldn't resist. This is my initial draft.
DEF: B Smith, Hodge, Ibbotson, Waters, Whitecross, Goddard (Karpany, DVR)
MID: Gazza, Fyfe, Beams, Cotchin, Griffen, Petracca, Heeney, Boekhorst (Cokatoo, ANB, Lavarde)
RUC: NicNat, Luey (Durdin)
FWD: Gray, Goddard, Dusty, Mitchell, Sylvia, Membery (Daniel, Markworth)
$134k leftover. Think its pretty good straight off the bat. Obviously rookies TBA
DEF: B Smith, Hodge, Ibbotson, Waters, Whitecross, Goddard (Karpany, DVR)
MID: Gazza, Fyfe, Beams, Cotchin, Griffen, Petracca, Heeney, Boekhorst (Cokatoo, ANB, Lavarde)
RUC: NicNat, Luey (Durdin)
FWD: Gray, Goddard, Dusty, Mitchell, Sylvia, Membery (Daniel, Markworth)
$134k leftover. Think its pretty good straight off the bat. Obviously rookies TBA
My team, Version 167 and counting
Def: Smith, Hibberd, Hurn, Newnes, Muddy Waters, edwards (Goddard, Newman)
Mid: Gaz, Pendles, Danger, Griff, Vandenburg, Boekhurst, Heeney, Freeman, (Laverde, Meckenzie, Krakouer)
Ruck: Goldy, Nic Nat (anyone, but it's Nankervis at the moment)
Fwd: Lids, Buddy, Dusty, Swan, Mitchell, Clark (Hogan, Steele)
$26,200 left
Def - We all hope Smith gets midfield time. Hibberd has dumped some kilos so maybe less chance of a soft tissue (though it doesn't work for Michael Clark...) Hurn has the captaincy and extra responsibility. Newnes for a breakout. Muddy, well the name says it all but hes my injury good luck story this year. Rooks
Mids - Gaz and Pendles. Likley top 3 average by years end, they're simply locks. Danger - underpriced I reckon, and imo a better scorer than Sloane. Griffen - has a point to prove, and I hope he's not injured. Rooks
Rucks - Set and forget, though I toyed with Leuenberger for cash. Still tempted
Fwd - I see huge upsides for Swan and Mitchell. Hogan - well I liked the look of him in the pre season game last year. Reckon he might tear a few sides a new one.
Byes are 5, 15 and 10 for the minute but that's no problem (Round 12 includes 8 rookies who won't all be there after 11 games)
More versions to come no doubt
Woody
Def: Smith, Hibberd, Hurn, Newnes, Muddy Waters, edwards (Goddard, Newman)
Mid: Gaz, Pendles, Danger, Griff, Vandenburg, Boekhurst, Heeney, Freeman, (Laverde, Meckenzie, Krakouer)
Ruck: Goldy, Nic Nat (anyone, but it's Nankervis at the moment)
Fwd: Lids, Buddy, Dusty, Swan, Mitchell, Clark (Hogan, Steele)
$26,200 left
Def - We all hope Smith gets midfield time. Hibberd has dumped some kilos so maybe less chance of a soft tissue (though it doesn't work for Michael Clark...) Hurn has the captaincy and extra responsibility. Newnes for a breakout. Muddy, well the name says it all but hes my injury good luck story this year. Rooks
Mids - Gaz and Pendles. Likley top 3 average by years end, they're simply locks. Danger - underpriced I reckon, and imo a better scorer than Sloane. Griffen - has a point to prove, and I hope he's not injured. Rooks
Rucks - Set and forget, though I toyed with Leuenberger for cash. Still tempted
Fwd - I see huge upsides for Swan and Mitchell. Hogan - well I liked the look of him in the pre season game last year. Reckon he might tear a few sides a new one.
Byes are 5, 15 and 10 for the minute but that's no problem (Round 12 includes 8 rookies who won't all be there after 11 games)
More versions to come no doubt
Woody
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Defenders:
Heath Shaw [GWS] ($497,800)
Michael Hibberd [ESS] ($491,500)
Grant Birchall [HAW] ($477,900)
Beau Waters [WCE] ($267,200)
Shaun Edwards [ESS] ($123,900)
Hugh Goddard [STK] [FWD] ($122,300)
Brendan Whitecross [HAW] ($198,700)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow [CAR] ($117,300)
Midfielders:
Gary Ablett [GCS] ($734,600)
Tom Rockliff [BRL] ($709,500)
Scott Pendlebury [COL] ($668,800)
Ryan Griffen [GWS] ($530,700)
Jack Steven [STK] ($455,900)
Isaac Heeney [SYD] ($137,300)
Blaine Boekhorst [CAR] ($132,300)
Jayden Laverde [ESS] [FWD] ($127,300)
Nathan van Berlo [ADE] ($215,600)
Nathan Freeman [COL] ($123,900)
Kane Lambert [RIC] [FWD] ($102,400)
Rucks:
Nic Naitanui [WCE] ($488,300)
Matthew Kreuzer [CAR] ($370,900)
Mason Cox [COL] [FWD] ($102,400)
Forwards:
Robbie Gray [PTA] [MID] ($596,900)
Brett Deledio [RIC] [MID] ($553,300)
Brendon Goddard [ESS] [MID] ($548,800)
Dane Swan [COL] [MID] ($464,500)
Mitch Clark [GEE] ($155,200)
Jesse Hogan [MEL] ($130,400)
Jack Steele [GWS] [MID] ($117,300)
Nathan Krakouer [PTA] [MID] ($106,900)
My team with 130K left over
Thanks for any advice
Heath Shaw [GWS] ($497,800)
Michael Hibberd [ESS] ($491,500)
Grant Birchall [HAW] ($477,900)
Beau Waters [WCE] ($267,200)
Shaun Edwards [ESS] ($123,900)
Hugh Goddard [STK] [FWD] ($122,300)
Brendan Whitecross [HAW] ($198,700)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow [CAR] ($117,300)
Midfielders:
Gary Ablett [GCS] ($734,600)
Tom Rockliff [BRL] ($709,500)
Scott Pendlebury [COL] ($668,800)
Ryan Griffen [GWS] ($530,700)
Jack Steven [STK] ($455,900)
Isaac Heeney [SYD] ($137,300)
Blaine Boekhorst [CAR] ($132,300)
Jayden Laverde [ESS] [FWD] ($127,300)
Nathan van Berlo [ADE] ($215,600)
Nathan Freeman [COL] ($123,900)
Kane Lambert [RIC] [FWD] ($102,400)
Rucks:
Nic Naitanui [WCE] ($488,300)
Matthew Kreuzer [CAR] ($370,900)
Mason Cox [COL] [FWD] ($102,400)
Forwards:
Robbie Gray [PTA] [MID] ($596,900)
Brett Deledio [RIC] [MID] ($553,300)
Brendon Goddard [ESS] [MID] ($548,800)
Dane Swan [COL] [MID] ($464,500)
Mitch Clark [GEE] ($155,200)
Jesse Hogan [MEL] ($130,400)
Jack Steele [GWS] [MID] ($117,300)
Nathan Krakouer [PTA] [MID] ($106,900)
My team with 130K left over
Thanks for any advice
Here's my first draft, rookies are just place holders, only researched the prems at this stage. Any suggests are welcome!
Salary cap left: $273,000.
Brodie Smith, Shannon Hurn, Jack Newnes, Beau Waters, Rowen Powell, Xavier Richards
Sam Russell, Hugh Goddard
Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Pendlebury, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Dangerfield, Oliver Wines, Daniel Rich, Cory Gregson, Karl Amon
Jack Hiscox, Brayden Maynard, Daniel McKenzie
Nic Naitanui, Matthew Leuenberger
Reilly O'Brien
Harley Bennell, Brett Deledio, Brendon Goddard, Toby McLean, Jesse Palmer, Dane Swan
Jack Steele, Lukas Webb
Salary cap left: $273,000.
Brodie Smith, Shannon Hurn, Jack Newnes, Beau Waters, Rowen Powell, Xavier Richards
Sam Russell, Hugh Goddard
Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Pendlebury, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Dangerfield, Oliver Wines, Daniel Rich, Cory Gregson, Karl Amon
Jack Hiscox, Brayden Maynard, Daniel McKenzie
Nic Naitanui, Matthew Leuenberger
Reilly O'Brien
Harley Bennell, Brett Deledio, Brendon Goddard, Toby McLean, Jesse Palmer, Dane Swan
Jack Steele, Lukas Webb