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Jack Steven I just can't buy into the hype yet, I can see him just being a headache all season. Smith I wasn't overly impressed with last night but his score was much better than I though his game was so that's one thing.
I still struggle with seeing Lynch being top 6 forward. I agree with @Dimmawit in that if you nail a couple of the right forwards to ride early it'll go a long way to having a succesful season. Whitfield, Martin givens for me, Heeney role/fitness, Walters role/fitness and then the next line of possibles Greenwood, Petracca, Smith????, DeGoey????, Dawson, Parish, McDonald, Kennedy, Gresham, Lynch. It's a tough one and why I don't like starting them but bringing them in early.
For me Greenwood has the role and has shown he can score well but does he have the team and tank? Petracca I don't need to anymore from what's been said. Smith I'm not sure will see as much mid time as I originally thought so his numbers might be up and down, DeGoey could improve if given more midfield time but I suspect he'll be needed forward when he's not at the Vet, Dawson I like but need to see some rpe-season games but might be better value in defence towards the end of the season, Parish needs to clean his disposal up but found plenty of it last night and contested numbers good, McDonald and Kennedy both have history in the mid to high 90's - might be enough this season - I don't know, too hard for me to work out.
I still struggle with seeing Lynch being top 6 forward. I agree with @Dimmawit in that if you nail a couple of the right forwards to ride early it'll go a long way to having a succesful season. Whitfield, Martin givens for me, Heeney role/fitness, Walters role/fitness and then the next line of possibles Greenwood, Petracca, Smith????, DeGoey????, Dawson, Parish, McDonald, Kennedy, Gresham, Lynch. It's a tough one and why I don't like starting them but bringing them in early.
For me Greenwood has the role and has shown he can score well but does he have the team and tank? Petracca I don't need to anymore from what's been said. Smith I'm not sure will see as much mid time as I originally thought so his numbers might be up and down, DeGoey could improve if given more midfield time but I suspect he'll be needed forward when he's not at the Vet, Dawson I like but need to see some rpe-season games but might be better value in defence towards the end of the season, Parish needs to clean his disposal up but found plenty of it last night and contested numbers good, McDonald and Kennedy both have history in the mid to high 90's - might be enough this season - I don't know, too hard for me to work out.
The thing I noted, which many on here seems to have overlooked, was that his midfield stint during the 2nd half coincided with Zerrett/Parish being rested. One notable was that McGrath was in there a lot, and they still have Heppell to fit in. He's still out for my team and I would need much more evidence next game to sway my opinion.
I to was on trac bandwagon before last Saturday my reasoning was that he was coming into his 5th? year and contract year and I thought what a combo 
and the 5th year is when the tall mids usually go bang
but I was put off by rowsus's thoughts on him when I asked him about a month a go but still stuck with him
but last saturday (even for a practise match)reaffirmed my suspicions
and the 5th year is when the tall mids usually go bangbut I was put off by rowsus's thoughts on him when I asked him about a month a go but still stuck with him
but last saturday (even for a practise match)reaffirmed my suspicions
If they are not injured and there is no good trade option why would you trade them? If they are underperforming well who knows in 1 week it could turn around alternatively there at an easy price point to upgrade relative to other rookies.
I have never found there to be no good options if they are injured. There’s always an option. I have found them the easiest players to fix TBH
I don’t see it much different to an underperforming “premium” is it? You hold until an opportunity presents and they may come good before you have to make a D.
Steven and Smith playing midfield or partly makes it hard for them to go that badly that you feel you simply must trade them early.
I think both are good picks
I have never found there to be no good options if they are injured. There’s always an option. I have found them the easiest players to fix TBH
I don’t see it much different to an underperforming “premium” is it? You hold until an opportunity presents and they may come good before you have to make a D.
Steven and Smith playing midfield or partly makes it hard for them to go that badly that you feel you simply must trade them early.
I think both are good picks
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Sorry for the delay as it was fairly difficult to get the documents released.
D Parish:
Wins: 85.94 from 32 (11/32 below 80, 25/32 below 100, 1/32 120+)
2016: 94 from 2
2017: 78.64 from 11
2018: 90 from 7
2019: 88.92 from 12
Losses: 72.86 from 42 (27/42 below 80, 40/42 below 100, 1/42 120+)
2016: 69.72 from 18
2017: 72.88 from 8
2018: 71.88 from 8
2019: 80.88 from 8
Career disposals avg: 20.74 from 74
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 21: 87.60 from 43 (13/43 below 80, 34/43 below 100, 2/43 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 21: 65.90 from 31 (25/31 below 80, 31/31 below 100, 0/43 120+)
Career TOG% avg: 76.24% from 74
SC avg when TOG% equal/exceed 77: 83.15 from 41 (18/41 below 80, 33/41 below 100, 2/41 120+)
SC avg when TOG% below 77: 72.76 from 33 (20/33 below 80, 32/33 below 100, 0/33 120+)
D Parish:
Wins: 85.94 from 32 (11/32 below 80, 25/32 below 100, 1/32 120+)
2016: 94 from 2
2017: 78.64 from 11
2018: 90 from 7
2019: 88.92 from 12
Losses: 72.86 from 42 (27/42 below 80, 40/42 below 100, 1/42 120+)
2016: 69.72 from 18
2017: 72.88 from 8
2018: 71.88 from 8
2019: 80.88 from 8
Career disposals avg: 20.74 from 74
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 21: 87.60 from 43 (13/43 below 80, 34/43 below 100, 2/43 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 21: 65.90 from 31 (25/31 below 80, 31/31 below 100, 0/43 120+)
Career TOG% avg: 76.24% from 74
SC avg when TOG% equal/exceed 77: 83.15 from 41 (18/41 below 80, 33/41 below 100, 2/41 120+)
SC avg when TOG% below 77: 72.76 from 33 (20/33 below 80, 32/33 below 100, 0/33 120+)
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Thank you @Connoisseur you are a gentleman and a scholar!
At first glance, the figures still make him look more appealing than Petracca so I am unlikely to take Trac instead of him. However, Trac is scaring me now so I might now have to find a way to have both!
At first glance, the figures still make him look more appealing than Petracca so I am unlikely to take Trac instead of him. However, Trac is scaring me now so I might now have to find a way to have both!
A thought just crossed my mind which I felt was worthy to share...
Would we even be contemplating/entertaining the likes of Petracca/Greenwood/Parish or similar if we had more 'proven, reliable & bankable' options, say a Dangerfield/Dunkley/TKelly/Zorko from past seasons...?
It's an interesting reflection for me and I'm thinking striking that balance is the way forward for my team.
Would we even be contemplating/entertaining the likes of Petracca/Greenwood/Parish or similar if we had more 'proven, reliable & bankable' options, say a Dangerfield/Dunkley/TKelly/Zorko from past seasons...?
It's an interesting reflection for me and I'm thinking striking that balance is the way forward for my team.
I'm just catching up on reading this thread, but noticed some interest in Petracca's early years.
2014 Draft Profile: Christian Petracca
June 24, 2014 by Peter Williams
Christian Petracca (Eastern Ranges)
Height: 186 cm
Weight: 92 kg
Position: Midfielder/forward
Player Comparison: Chad Wingard/Josh Kennedy (Sydney)
Strengths: Contested marking, goal kicking, contested ball winning
Areas of Improvement: Disposal efficiency
Suitable Teams: Melbourne, Brisbane, North Melbourne, Richmond
In my mind, anywhere past pick seven or eight and Christian Petracca Petracca becomes a steal.
Talent wise, Petracca is worthy of a top five pick, and on output, he’s number one. He’s a strong bodied forward-cum-midfielder, but to pigeon hole him as one or the other is to misjudge him.
After kicking over 40 goals as an underager – keep in mind Tom Boyd, Michael Apeness and Dan McStay all played in that forward line at times – Petracca hired a running coach and dropped six kilograms over the summer. His dedication and professionalism is at the upper echelon.
Now he is the vice-captain of the Ranges and a full-time midfielder. He can do it all. His body is strong enough to dominate on the inside and his skills are good enough to damage on the outside. Don’t worry about his disposal efficiency, as many of his kicks come from contested situations.
He reminds me of Chad Wingard as every disposal he has changes the game. He often records five or more inside 50s per game and they are usually lace out. He is the best contested mark for his height and he could easily beat most key defenders in the air.
He is an absolute game changer and has the most x-factor in this draft class. He can rack up the ball consistently too, so he is an unquestionable prospect this year. You only have to look at his work for Vic Metro, where he has been in the top two ball winners in every game he has played.
His two Metro games so far have yielded him impressive stats:
– vs. Western Australia: 27 disposals at 85%, two goals, one behind, seven marks, four tackles, seven clearances, nine contested possessions and four inside 50s.
– vs. Vic Country: 31 disposals at 65%, seven marks, three tackles, four clearances, 11 contested possessions and six inside 50s.
In 2012, Petracca averaged 19.4 disposals as a half forward, with 2.4 goals per game and only two goalless games. In six of his 17 games, he had three goals of more, including hauls of six and five. His Preliminary Final performance against the Falcons had him score over 200 Champion Data points, as his five goals, five behinds, 11 marks – an incredible nine of those contested – and 23 possessions showed that he is indeed the most impressive player in this year’s crop.
In 2012, he displayed his ball-winning skills even more, with an average of 23.8 disposals in five games as well as 1.6 goals per game. He’s also averaged 4.2 tackles, and although he’s only averaged 4.6 marks per game this year, he highest total was 11 marks, and two of those marks per game have been contested.
The only ‘downside’ is that he is not a key forward, but any side which drafts him gets a strong forward and elite midfielder with the one pick. There is no player who can produce the numbers that he can. He is a once in a generation type of guy.
2014 Draft Profile: Christian Petracca
June 24, 2014 by Peter Williams
Christian Petracca (Eastern Ranges)
Height: 186 cm
Weight: 92 kg
Position: Midfielder/forward
Player Comparison: Chad Wingard/Josh Kennedy (Sydney)
Strengths: Contested marking, goal kicking, contested ball winning
Areas of Improvement: Disposal efficiency
Suitable Teams: Melbourne, Brisbane, North Melbourne, Richmond
In my mind, anywhere past pick seven or eight and Christian Petracca Petracca becomes a steal.
Talent wise, Petracca is worthy of a top five pick, and on output, he’s number one. He’s a strong bodied forward-cum-midfielder, but to pigeon hole him as one or the other is to misjudge him.
After kicking over 40 goals as an underager – keep in mind Tom Boyd, Michael Apeness and Dan McStay all played in that forward line at times – Petracca hired a running coach and dropped six kilograms over the summer. His dedication and professionalism is at the upper echelon.
Now he is the vice-captain of the Ranges and a full-time midfielder. He can do it all. His body is strong enough to dominate on the inside and his skills are good enough to damage on the outside. Don’t worry about his disposal efficiency, as many of his kicks come from contested situations.
He reminds me of Chad Wingard as every disposal he has changes the game. He often records five or more inside 50s per game and they are usually lace out. He is the best contested mark for his height and he could easily beat most key defenders in the air.
He is an absolute game changer and has the most x-factor in this draft class. He can rack up the ball consistently too, so he is an unquestionable prospect this year. You only have to look at his work for Vic Metro, where he has been in the top two ball winners in every game he has played.
His two Metro games so far have yielded him impressive stats:
– vs. Western Australia: 27 disposals at 85%, two goals, one behind, seven marks, four tackles, seven clearances, nine contested possessions and four inside 50s.
– vs. Vic Country: 31 disposals at 65%, seven marks, three tackles, four clearances, 11 contested possessions and six inside 50s.
In 2012, Petracca averaged 19.4 disposals as a half forward, with 2.4 goals per game and only two goalless games. In six of his 17 games, he had three goals of more, including hauls of six and five. His Preliminary Final performance against the Falcons had him score over 200 Champion Data points, as his five goals, five behinds, 11 marks – an incredible nine of those contested – and 23 possessions showed that he is indeed the most impressive player in this year’s crop.
In 2012, he displayed his ball-winning skills even more, with an average of 23.8 disposals in five games as well as 1.6 goals per game. He’s also averaged 4.2 tackles, and although he’s only averaged 4.6 marks per game this year, he highest total was 11 marks, and two of those marks per game have been contested.
The only ‘downside’ is that he is not a key forward, but any side which drafts him gets a strong forward and elite midfielder with the one pick. There is no player who can produce the numbers that he can. He is a once in a generation type of guy.
D.Smith averaging 90 at 335k is almost good enough as a pure cash cow, would get to 440k~450k. Averaged ~90 playing 65%+ of his time as a forward at GWS in a side that was bottom four as well!
In any case, as a supporter, I'm pretty confident that when push comes to shove, it'll be D.Smith in the CBAs and stoppages over Parish/McGrath types. Neither offer the level of pressure around stoppages that Devon does - Devon also topped the Pressure Acts with 30 in Marsh 1.
In any case, as a supporter, I'm pretty confident that when push comes to shove, it'll be D.Smith in the CBAs and stoppages over Parish/McGrath types. Neither offer the level of pressure around stoppages that Devon does - Devon also topped the Pressure Acts with 30 in Marsh 1.
