Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion - OPEN
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I haven’t seen anything to say you couldn’t. For me though when I think about the logistics of it… I think I will play a premo who plays earlier in the round as flex. It would be a shame for the flex to be a late out on a Sunday. I guess you could pick a player as flex and then vice them. But if that player goes beserk you have to put a zero on the field and lose the value of having a flex to remove your lowest score. Feels like safest option is to just not.
Here is my current way too early to know for sure version:
Defenders:
Going with 3 who I feel confident will be in the top mix for their line in Flanders, Sheezel and Sinclair. There will often be some good value that appears down back and I want to be focussed on having flexibility to complete the line instead of having to chase top end talent. Mills picks himself if fit and playing, and then rookies will fill out the rest as things get clearer.
Midfielders:
Very keen on 3 + Oliver as my main investment here. Bont is pretty much a lock unless there are preseason concerns. The other two good change and probably will cycle a few here until I settle on the final picks. Think LDU has a bonkers year this year and also really like Serong's progression, but not 100% sold. Oliver seems a must have based on preseason reports too. Rookies for the rest.
Rucks:
Struggling!! Xerri locked but R2 is a battle. If Flynn and Boyd have the roles and security I may well bank some cash with a cheap R2/R3 and worry about who the premium rucks are when I know more.
Forwards:
Midprice madness! Will see if all stay viable over the preseason but if so, feels like too much value to ignore. Love JHF as a pick and will be a target for sure, but think he's one I can get by without if it doesn't fit the structure.
Flex:
Peatling for now, think the role is great and he'll score well enough to make some money and provide solid points. Tossing up Cam mackenzie instead but Peatling wins for now.
Byes:
No concerns with the early byes, but there is an obvious issue with round 12 (not helped by the fact I currently have 6 North Melbourne players!!). Need to tweak things there but not sure who drops off - Sheezel or LDU most likely unless any of the MPers lost viability.
Defenders:
Going with 3 who I feel confident will be in the top mix for their line in Flanders, Sheezel and Sinclair. There will often be some good value that appears down back and I want to be focussed on having flexibility to complete the line instead of having to chase top end talent. Mills picks himself if fit and playing, and then rookies will fill out the rest as things get clearer.
Midfielders:
Very keen on 3 + Oliver as my main investment here. Bont is pretty much a lock unless there are preseason concerns. The other two good change and probably will cycle a few here until I settle on the final picks. Think LDU has a bonkers year this year and also really like Serong's progression, but not 100% sold. Oliver seems a must have based on preseason reports too. Rookies for the rest.
Rucks:
Struggling!! Xerri locked but R2 is a battle. If Flynn and Boyd have the roles and security I may well bank some cash with a cheap R2/R3 and worry about who the premium rucks are when I know more.
Forwards:
Midprice madness! Will see if all stay viable over the preseason but if so, feels like too much value to ignore. Love JHF as a pick and will be a target for sure, but think he's one I can get by without if it doesn't fit the structure.
Flex:
Peatling for now, think the role is great and he'll score well enough to make some money and provide solid points. Tossing up Cam mackenzie instead but Peatling wins for now.
Byes:
No concerns with the early byes, but there is an obvious issue with round 12 (not helped by the fact I currently have 6 North Melbourne players!!). Need to tweak things there but not sure who drops off - Sheezel or LDU most likely unless any of the MPers lost viability.
Interesting feedback from Kingy re Langford, I have read quite the opposite, that he looked off the pace.
As for his George comment, I’m assuming he’s referring to the Wardlaw injury. My understanding is that he had multiple hamstring injuries in his draft year and subsequently, so I’m not sure why this would be a surprise.
As for his George comment, I’m assuming he’s referring to the Wardlaw injury. My understanding is that he had multiple hamstring injuries in his draft year and subsequently, so I’m not sure why this would be a surprise.
Western Bulldogs target ex-AFL ruckman as Tim English cover
Western Bulldogs target ex-AFL ruckman as Tim English cover
Story by Kieran Francis • 1h
Western Bulldogs have invited former Gold Coast Suns ruckman Brayden Crossley to train with the club.
The 25-year-old's trial with the club will only be at the Bulldogs' Queensland pre-season camp to start, with an intraclub match being played in Maroochydore on Sunday, the AFL reports.
However, it is possible the 198cm ruck's trial is extended for when the club returns to Victoria and he could compete for a list spot as a pre-season supplemental selection.
Crossley was pivotal in Southport's run to the VFL grand final last season and was also selected in the competition team of the year squad.
He played 10 games for the Suns between 2018-19 but was delisted after testing positive for cocaine on matchday of a Gold Coast NEAFL match in May 2019.
Crossley was banned for 12 months for the doping infringement but has since has rebuilt his career after signing for Southport in 2021.
Western Bulldogs no.1 ruck Tim English is currently struggling with an abdominal issue and the club lack backup since the departure of Jordon Sweet to Port Adelaide.
Both Sam Darcy and Rory Lobb could ruck if required but coach Luke Beveridge has shown a preference for the duo to play forward and back respectively.
The Bulldogs also currently have Werribee midfielder Dom Brew training with the club in hope of winning a list position.
Western Bulldogs target ex-AFL ruckman as Tim English cover
Story by Kieran Francis • 1h
Western Bulldogs have invited former Gold Coast Suns ruckman Brayden Crossley to train with the club.
The 25-year-old's trial with the club will only be at the Bulldogs' Queensland pre-season camp to start, with an intraclub match being played in Maroochydore on Sunday, the AFL reports.
However, it is possible the 198cm ruck's trial is extended for when the club returns to Victoria and he could compete for a list spot as a pre-season supplemental selection.
Crossley was pivotal in Southport's run to the VFL grand final last season and was also selected in the competition team of the year squad.
He played 10 games for the Suns between 2018-19 but was delisted after testing positive for cocaine on matchday of a Gold Coast NEAFL match in May 2019.
Crossley was banned for 12 months for the doping infringement but has since has rebuilt his career after signing for Southport in 2021.
Western Bulldogs no.1 ruck Tim English is currently struggling with an abdominal issue and the club lack backup since the departure of Jordon Sweet to Port Adelaide.
Both Sam Darcy and Rory Lobb could ruck if required but coach Luke Beveridge has shown a preference for the duo to play forward and back respectively.
The Bulldogs also currently have Werribee midfielder Dom Brew training with the club in hope of winning a list position.
Not at all. My current iteration has 11 between 250 and 500k and I still think there's a case to add Perryman.
These sorts of numbers are way too high though and so I'll be cutting right back.
One issue that comes from MPM that hasn't been touched on this year goes as follows.....
Exactly how many mid pricers do you expect to break out by 20+ PPG? The number that will do it is pretty small and not only that, some of those that do aren't on our radars at the moment. Others might not do it till late season. So while I have 11 on my list at the moment, I might expect only 4 or 5 to be useful to us early.
Now.... let's say I go in with 10 MPPs, hoping to cover all options. Only 4 MPPs explode out the gates and I have 3 of them, having missed say Mitch Owens opening brightly when none of us really thought it too likely. I now have 7 MPPs clogging my list and I need to bring in Owens.
List Clogger 1 > Owens = 1 trade. Leaves 6 cloggers to fix. No other MPPs are firing at this stage for me to switch to. I can trade down to a missing rookie 350k > 150k releases 200k that I can add to another non-firing MPP but unless he's already over 400k, I'm not getting a premium back, mid or probably ruck. Chances are he's only 350 and my options are getting limited
And I need to do that for 3 pairs of players to clear out my 6 cloggers. I can't easily find 600k in downgrades for my 3 downs and I need more than that to effect my upgrades. There isn't enough sideways action available that I am confident on (or it would have been in my initial squad).
Another 6 trades used in corrections for a total of 7. I've probably used 2 boosts as the cherry on top as well.
Now instead, let's just pick 5 of those MPPs. I only get 2 or them right and am still missing Owens as in the other example. I have only the 3 list cloggers and need to get the remaining 2 must-have MPPs. I can sideways 2 trades and downgrade to a missed rookie, saving 4 trades and banking 200k for a later upgrade. Maybe I use a boost.
I learned this aspect of MPM from some pretty hard lessons the last couple of years.
Yes, start a selection of MPPs but as I've consistently said: tread warily and don't overdo it. Even with the extra trades, there is a limit to how effective the strategy can be
These sorts of numbers are way too high though and so I'll be cutting right back.
One issue that comes from MPM that hasn't been touched on this year goes as follows.....
Exactly how many mid pricers do you expect to break out by 20+ PPG? The number that will do it is pretty small and not only that, some of those that do aren't on our radars at the moment. Others might not do it till late season. So while I have 11 on my list at the moment, I might expect only 4 or 5 to be useful to us early.
Now.... let's say I go in with 10 MPPs, hoping to cover all options. Only 4 MPPs explode out the gates and I have 3 of them, having missed say Mitch Owens opening brightly when none of us really thought it too likely. I now have 7 MPPs clogging my list and I need to bring in Owens.
List Clogger 1 > Owens = 1 trade. Leaves 6 cloggers to fix. No other MPPs are firing at this stage for me to switch to. I can trade down to a missing rookie 350k > 150k releases 200k that I can add to another non-firing MPP but unless he's already over 400k, I'm not getting a premium back, mid or probably ruck. Chances are he's only 350 and my options are getting limited
And I need to do that for 3 pairs of players to clear out my 6 cloggers. I can't easily find 600k in downgrades for my 3 downs and I need more than that to effect my upgrades. There isn't enough sideways action available that I am confident on (or it would have been in my initial squad).
Another 6 trades used in corrections for a total of 7. I've probably used 2 boosts as the cherry on top as well.
Now instead, let's just pick 5 of those MPPs. I only get 2 or them right and am still missing Owens as in the other example. I have only the 3 list cloggers and need to get the remaining 2 must-have MPPs. I can sideways 2 trades and downgrade to a missed rookie, saving 4 trades and banking 200k for a later upgrade. Maybe I use a boost.
I learned this aspect of MPM from some pretty hard lessons the last couple of years.
Yes, start a selection of MPPs but as I've consistently said: tread warily and don't overdo it. Even with the extra trades, there is a limit to how effective the strategy can be
Yeah I'm thinking 1.5 trades to bring a 475k guy in, not "1.5 trades and another to bring him him in".
The maths would be:
Trade 1: downgrade a maxed out cow (330k) to a mid-season rookie (120k) = 210k
Trade 2: upgrade your 475k maxed out MPP for a fallen premium at 575k = 100k or so.
Yes, it's 2 trades but we are averaging it out over the season. The next upgrade already has the 100k left over from the first upgrade so only requires that cash and the 100k to upgrade. 2 upgrades, 3 trades = 1.5 trades per MPP upgrade to premium
Now, if you're the sort who likes to upgrade to 640k premiums in season, then yeah - the maths is a bit different!
The maths would be:
Trade 1: downgrade a maxed out cow (330k) to a mid-season rookie (120k) = 210k
Trade 2: upgrade your 475k maxed out MPP for a fallen premium at 575k = 100k or so.
Yes, it's 2 trades but we are averaging it out over the season. The next upgrade already has the 100k left over from the first upgrade so only requires that cash and the 100k to upgrade. 2 upgrades, 3 trades = 1.5 trades per MPP upgrade to premium
Now, if you're the sort who likes to upgrade to 640k premiums in season, then yeah - the maths is a bit different!
It would depend on the MPP but by that stage of the season, the leaders are getting close to finishing off their teams so hopefully I'm at the last few upgrades myself.
Also, it is all about the 3 round average. Let's say Treloar does another hammy or Libba gets a head knock and Kennedy does 2 weeks in the Doggies midfield round 8 and 9. He's already underpriced at 410k owing to being misused at Carlton and a couple of big weeks in the midfield would give him that spike he needs to get there. Not sure I'd be wanting to keep him all year. He's too old to be an actual breakout player
We all remember Jack Ziebel being awesome value a couple of times there. You didn't want to keep him all year though, as history showed. Caleb Daniel is now taking his spot in our forwards and on Norff's backline.
How long before Ross realises that "yeah... Jack Macrae is a bit too slow for the modern midfield". After he's gone at 95 for the first 2 months. Not enough impact in the real stuff but doing the +25 we needed for a week 9 upgrade.
Titch's foot finally heals, sending Perryman back to half back. See Macrae.
I think there are enough believable stories to suggest that could get a handful of such players. Again, comes back to my recent post about MPPs. "A handful" of MPPs is a good number.
Also, it is all about the 3 round average. Let's say Treloar does another hammy or Libba gets a head knock and Kennedy does 2 weeks in the Doggies midfield round 8 and 9. He's already underpriced at 410k owing to being misused at Carlton and a couple of big weeks in the midfield would give him that spike he needs to get there. Not sure I'd be wanting to keep him all year. He's too old to be an actual breakout player
We all remember Jack Ziebel being awesome value a couple of times there. You didn't want to keep him all year though, as history showed. Caleb Daniel is now taking his spot in our forwards and on Norff's backline.
How long before Ross realises that "yeah... Jack Macrae is a bit too slow for the modern midfield". After he's gone at 95 for the first 2 months. Not enough impact in the real stuff but doing the +25 we needed for a week 9 upgrade.
Titch's foot finally heals, sending Perryman back to half back. See Macrae.
I think there are enough believable stories to suggest that could get a handful of such players. Again, comes back to my recent post about MPPs. "A handful" of MPPs is a good number.
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Had a bit of a dig around at Perryman after reading this and continually scrolling through the $400k price options in defense.
Consistently find myself going back to his name but wanted to see if there was substance in it or not.
The below is excluding games with below 50% game time (1 from 2022 and 1 from 2023).
Over the last 3 years Perryman has played 57 games averaging 82.6.
From that he has had 12 games where had CBAs and averaged 95.3 from these games (last one was in R18 2023).
Averaged 6.3 tackles during these games as well as 22 disposals.
From the remaining 45 games where he had zero CBAs he averaged 79.2 (including all games in 2024).
Definitely one to watch over the pre-season and round 0.
Consistently find myself going back to his name but wanted to see if there was substance in it or not.
The below is excluding games with below 50% game time (1 from 2022 and 1 from 2023).
Over the last 3 years Perryman has played 57 games averaging 82.6.
From that he has had 12 games where had CBAs and averaged 95.3 from these games (last one was in R18 2023).
Averaged 6.3 tackles during these games as well as 22 disposals.
From the remaining 45 games where he had zero CBAs he averaged 79.2 (including all games in 2024).
Definitely one to watch over the pre-season and round 0.
Yeah I'm thinking 1.5 trades to bring a 475k guy in, not "1.5 trades and another to bring him him in".
The maths would be:
Trade 1: downgrade a maxed out cow (330k) to a mid-season rookie (120k) = 210k
Trade 2: upgrade your 475k maxed out MPP for a fallen premium at 575k = 100k or so.
Yes, it's 2 trades but we are averaging it out over the season. The next upgrade already has the 100k left over from the first upgrade so only requires that cash and the 100k to upgrade. 2 upgrades, 3 trades = 1.5 trades per MPP upgrade to premium
Now, if you're the sort who likes to upgrade to 640k premiums in season, then yeah - the maths is a bit different!
The maths would be:
Trade 1: downgrade a maxed out cow (330k) to a mid-season rookie (120k) = 210k
Trade 2: upgrade your 475k maxed out MPP for a fallen premium at 575k = 100k or so.
Yes, it's 2 trades but we are averaging it out over the season. The next upgrade already has the 100k left over from the first upgrade so only requires that cash and the 100k to upgrade. 2 upgrades, 3 trades = 1.5 trades per MPP upgrade to premium
Now, if you're the sort who likes to upgrade to 640k premiums in season, then yeah - the maths is a bit different!
I was referring to some trades that could cost less, the 3 trades to upgrade a rookie could be just 1 if it's a player like Phillipou who could be a keeper.
Could be a little different this year with the bar for a forward keeper being so low. It makes all of Macrae, Smith, Daniel and potentially Phillipou when he comes back, a good chance of being keepers. Mills and Clarry are high possibilities in achieving the same.
You guys with a bucketload more experience in this game might be able to come up with examples of other years where there's been a high probability of 6 MP's being keepers.
Add in a few like Rivers, Peatling and Flynn as likely stepping stones then it's not hard to come up with 8 legitimate starting options.
You guys with a bucketload more experience in this game might be able to come up with examples of other years where there's been a high probability of 6 MP's being keepers.
Add in a few like Rivers, Peatling and Flynn as likely stepping stones then it's not hard to come up with 8 legitimate starting options.