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Interesting reading some of our thoughts well before the summer and now well into season as things get closer to Test series over and focus starts to shift to actual World Cup squad just over a week away now.
One Day Final between WA and NSW on GEM atm if anyone is interested. 
Behrendorff 5 fa, Nathan Coulter-Nile what an athlete taking two ripper catches to end the match!
On the other side of the planet the Aussies in all sorts of trouble
On the other side of the planet the Aussies in all sorts of trouble
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Did not see yesterday's play but does seem odd. I know the day before when they were 326 ahead at stumps I expected what would happen was maybe they bat no more than about 30 minutes into the new day and if not bowled out declare. If they could get a quick 40 to 50 runs in that time it would have been ideal.
I am super surprised to hear they batted on for well over an hour and even more so when Marsh was run out for 99, why would you even bother having next batter come in.
Oh well, guess that is what can happen with a fairly young guy given a go at captaincy. It is all on his head and maybe the responsibility was a lot to take in for him. The captain has to call the shots himself so he has to live and die and learn by his own decisions.
I am super surprised to hear they batted on for well over an hour and even more so when Marsh was run out for 99, why would you even bother having next batter come in.
Oh well, guess that is what can happen with a fairly young guy given a go at captaincy. It is all on his head and maybe the responsibility was a lot to take in for him. The captain has to call the shots himself so he has to live and die and learn by his own decisions.
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Having spent the last 5 days at the Boxing Day Test I can say even though it ended in a draw there was some extremely high quality of cricket on display!! Loved every minute of it.
Thank god Dhoni has retired from test cricket, don't rate his captaincy at all, not a fan of his wicket keeping or batting either, plays some stupid shots. The right time to hand over to an attacking, fighter in Kohli for sure.
Also Oz I am definitely in for WC fantasy
Thank god Dhoni has retired from test cricket, don't rate his captaincy at all, not a fan of his wicket keeping or batting either, plays some stupid shots. The right time to hand over to an attacking, fighter in Kohli for sure.
Also Oz I am definitely in for WC fantasy
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What a game that turned out to be, can't believe the Stars got close in the end. Had Quiney not chewed up so many balls at the start of his innings where he couldn't hit it off the square they would have probably got a comfortable win in the end. Ah well. Stars are going to rely a lot on KP to get them into the finals from here, need to go 5 from 5 I would have thought to be a chance.
I am about the same with Pollard, Richardson and Doherty to come
That was only thanks to Finch as C and even 48 wasn't a huge score
It's so tough to predict scores. I almost brought the Huss in thinking the Renegades bowlers were shizen and then in comes Pattinson and he knocks both the Huss and Kallis over.
That was only thanks to Finch as C and even 48 wasn't a huge score
It's so tough to predict scores. I almost brought the Huss in thinking the Renegades bowlers were shizen and then in comes Pattinson and he knocks both the Huss and Kallis over.
I wonder how Michael Clarke feels about the way Steve Smith approached day 5 yesterday.
I was at the game so I didn't hear whether Clarke gave his view on it in the commentary box, but I imagine he would be pretty upset.
I think it's important not to thrash Smith with criticism in such early days as captain, but something that always rings true when Clarke is captain is that Australia try to win every test match. In every press conference Clarke will express the importance of winning every test as Australia aims to top the rankings in all forms of the game.
Great, Australia wrapped up the series by not giving India a sniff of victory at the G, but it's a game Australia deserved to win in my opinion, and should of won.
Also, surely the decision of declaration wasn't solely left on the shoulders of Smith?? I can't believe with the amount of experience Australia has on its coaching staff that a decision wasn't made to give Australia a crack at winning the game, whether that be batting aggressively for a few overs or simply declaring overnight.
Either way, hopefully Smith learns from this and we don't have to view another test like we did yesterday.
I was at the game so I didn't hear whether Clarke gave his view on it in the commentary box, but I imagine he would be pretty upset.
I think it's important not to thrash Smith with criticism in such early days as captain, but something that always rings true when Clarke is captain is that Australia try to win every test match. In every press conference Clarke will express the importance of winning every test as Australia aims to top the rankings in all forms of the game.
Great, Australia wrapped up the series by not giving India a sniff of victory at the G, but it's a game Australia deserved to win in my opinion, and should of won.
Also, surely the decision of declaration wasn't solely left on the shoulders of Smith?? I can't believe with the amount of experience Australia has on its coaching staff that a decision wasn't made to give Australia a crack at winning the game, whether that be batting aggressively for a few overs or simply declaring overnight.
Either way, hopefully Smith learns from this and we don't have to view another test like we did yesterday.
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Like I said earlier I was also at the game, but had one of those earpiece radio things on Channel 9 commentary.
Clarke played a pretty straight bat all day in regard to the declaration (as if he was going to give anything away) but I think you could sort of tell he was a little impatient with the delayed declaration in that he was hoping for an Australian win, rather than playing safely for the draw.
BTW Clarke has a future in commentary once his playing days are over, I'd be happy to see him slip straight into the channel 9 setup, very insightful knowledge and breakdown of the game and various situations.
Clarke played a pretty straight bat all day in regard to the declaration (as if he was going to give anything away) but I think you could sort of tell he was a little impatient with the delayed declaration in that he was hoping for an Australian win, rather than playing safely for the draw.
BTW Clarke has a future in commentary once his playing days are over, I'd be happy to see him slip straight into the channel 9 setup, very insightful knowledge and breakdown of the game and various situations.
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The thing you have to consider with the declaration as well is that Darren Lehmann and Brad Haddin wouldn't exactly be mute observers throughout the batting innings and I very doubt that a debutant captain would ignore his experienced 2IC or the coach if they actually did tell him they team's tactic (and deceleration) needed to change. IT would be something they all decided on.
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Will do. I'm waiting on hearing World Cup squads announced before I rev any of it up.
I think they get announced in 10 days time. Then will put them all in spreadsheet and categorize all the players involved.
FDL draft starts tomorrow so once that is fully under way apart from my own research on players to pick in FDL I'll then use free time to work on Cricket game and some preparing for footy keeper league pre-season. The World Cup does not start until Feb 14th so my early plans would run the auctions style part of cricket game in early Feb at latest or Australia Day period at earliest.
AUSTRALIA to pick from
David Warner BAT
Aaron Finch BAT
Shane Watson BAT/ALR
Steven Smith BAT
Michael Clarke BAT
George Bailey BAT
Mitchell Marsh ALR/BAT
Matthew Wade WKP/BAT
Glenn Maxwell ALR/BAT
Brad Haddin WKP
James Faulkner ALR/BWL
Nathan Coulter-Nile BWL/ALR
Mitch Johnson BWL
Mitchell Starc BWL
Pat Cummins BWL
Ryan Harris BWL
James Pattinson BWL
Shaun Marsh BAT
Adam Voges BAT
Joe Burns BAT
Chris Lynn BAT
Ben Dunk WKP/BAT
Nic Maddinson BAT
Moises Henriques ALR/BAT
Dan Christian ALR/BAT
Tim Paine WKP/BAT
Nathan Lyon BWL
Cameron Boyce BWL
Ashton Agar BWL
Xavier Doherty BWL
Jason Behrendorff BWL
Jackson Bird BWL
Josh Hazlewood BWL
Kane Richardson BWL
Sean Abbott BWL/ALR
Ben Cutting BWL/ALR
John Hastings BWL/ALR
Clint McKay BWL
Cameron White BAT
Callum Ferguson BAT
Tim Ludeman WKP/BAT
Fawad Ahmed BWL
Ben Hilfenhaus BWL
Adam Zampa BWL
Steve O'Keefe BWL
Gurinder Sandhu BWL
I think they get announced in 10 days time. Then will put them all in spreadsheet and categorize all the players involved.
FDL draft starts tomorrow so once that is fully under way apart from my own research on players to pick in FDL I'll then use free time to work on Cricket game and some preparing for footy keeper league pre-season. The World Cup does not start until Feb 14th so my early plans would run the auctions style part of cricket game in early Feb at latest or Australia Day period at earliest.
AUSTRALIA to pick from
David Warner BAT
Aaron Finch BAT
Shane Watson BAT/ALR
Steven Smith BAT
Michael Clarke BAT
George Bailey BAT
Mitchell Marsh ALR/BAT
Matthew Wade WKP/BAT
Glenn Maxwell ALR/BAT
Brad Haddin WKP
James Faulkner ALR/BWL
Nathan Coulter-Nile BWL/ALR
Mitch Johnson BWL
Mitchell Starc BWL
Pat Cummins BWL
Ryan Harris BWL
James Pattinson BWL
Shaun Marsh BAT
Adam Voges BAT
Joe Burns BAT
Chris Lynn BAT
Ben Dunk WKP/BAT
Nic Maddinson BAT
Moises Henriques ALR/BAT
Dan Christian ALR/BAT
Tim Paine WKP/BAT
Nathan Lyon BWL
Cameron Boyce BWL
Ashton Agar BWL
Xavier Doherty BWL
Jason Behrendorff BWL
Jackson Bird BWL
Josh Hazlewood BWL
Kane Richardson BWL
Sean Abbott BWL/ALR
Ben Cutting BWL/ALR
John Hastings BWL/ALR
Clint McKay BWL
Cameron White BAT
Callum Ferguson BAT
Tim Ludeman WKP/BAT
Fawad Ahmed BWL
Ben Hilfenhaus BWL
Adam Zampa BWL
Steve O'Keefe BWL
Gurinder Sandhu BWL
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Some facts for Steve Smith to help him when deciding to declare:
- India have won 5 of 43 tests in Australia.
- Batting last India have a record of 1-4-15 in Australia. Their only successful 4th innings run chase was 6/233 in Adelaide, 2003.
- The only time they have made 300+ with a run rate of 3.5+ in the 4th innings in Australia was the recent Adelaide test (315, rr 3.61) where they lost by 48 runs.
- There have been 8 last innings scores of 300+ at the MCG. Only one of them had a run rate of better than 3.1, which was the West Indies in 1976 (326, 4.47rr) when they lost by 165 runs.
- There have only ever been 4 successful run chases of 300+ at 4+ an over.
- There have been 125 4th innings scores of 300+. Two of these had a run rate of 5+ and won; Pakistan 5/302 in 57.3 overs (5.25) v Sri Lanka in 2014 and West Indies 1/344 in 66.1 overs (5.19) v England in 1984.
- The only other side to score at 4.5+ an over was New Zealand (4.82) in 2002 when they made 451 and lost by 98 runs.
- No side has ever won chasing 350+ at 3.5+ an over.
- India have won 5 of 43 tests in Australia.
- Batting last India have a record of 1-4-15 in Australia. Their only successful 4th innings run chase was 6/233 in Adelaide, 2003.
- The only time they have made 300+ with a run rate of 3.5+ in the 4th innings in Australia was the recent Adelaide test (315, rr 3.61) where they lost by 48 runs.
- There have been 8 last innings scores of 300+ at the MCG. Only one of them had a run rate of better than 3.1, which was the West Indies in 1976 (326, 4.47rr) when they lost by 165 runs.
- There have only ever been 4 successful run chases of 300+ at 4+ an over.
- There have been 125 4th innings scores of 300+. Two of these had a run rate of 5+ and won; Pakistan 5/302 in 57.3 overs (5.25) v Sri Lanka in 2014 and West Indies 1/344 in 66.1 overs (5.19) v England in 1984.
- The only other side to score at 4.5+ an over was New Zealand (4.82) in 2002 when they made 451 and lost by 98 runs.
- No side has ever won chasing 350+ at 3.5+ an over.
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I'm sure Smith has more than enough advice from those around him..lol..
Yep, I agree, I wish he had declared that morning quite early on. Clearly he left it way too late to declare but then we are not the ones making the call and having to deal with the consequences in real life. He is only new to it. I forgive him for it and won't be overly critical. I can certainly understand he believing they were capable of scoring 4 an over on last day considering the scoring rate of some of the match and also how they also chased the first Test total set. I do not feel he needs to look back any further than that in making his own decision.
I personally thought they would bat on no longer than 30 minutes or 10 overs tops into last day and then either declared or be bowled out trying to add to the 326 lead they had overnight. I cannot remember an Australian captain batting on so long after I expected them to declare since Allan Border way back a few decades. On the flip side I also remember Adam Gilchrist filling in captain some Test in England where he gave the Poms enough time to get the runs and they did. We lost a Test after he declared. Rare but has happened. I also seen Australia lose two Tests in my time after enforcing the follow on. I remember the one in India where I was convinced Steve Waugh sending India in to bat again was a bad move and it proved to be the case. The captains will make mistakes but they live and learn and hopefully do not make the same mistakes again.
Yep, I agree, I wish he had declared that morning quite early on. Clearly he left it way too late to declare but then we are not the ones making the call and having to deal with the consequences in real life. He is only new to it. I forgive him for it and won't be overly critical. I can certainly understand he believing they were capable of scoring 4 an over on last day considering the scoring rate of some of the match and also how they also chased the first Test total set. I do not feel he needs to look back any further than that in making his own decision.
I personally thought they would bat on no longer than 30 minutes or 10 overs tops into last day and then either declared or be bowled out trying to add to the 326 lead they had overnight. I cannot remember an Australian captain batting on so long after I expected them to declare since Allan Border way back a few decades. On the flip side I also remember Adam Gilchrist filling in captain some Test in England where he gave the Poms enough time to get the runs and they did. We lost a Test after he declared. Rare but has happened. I also seen Australia lose two Tests in my time after enforcing the follow on. I remember the one in India where I was convinced Steve Waugh sending India in to bat again was a bad move and it proved to be the case. The captains will make mistakes but they live and learn and hopefully do not make the same mistakes again.
India have 3 quality batsman - Vijay, Rahane and Kohli. They also have a horrific tail that barely has contributed anything. To consider this Indian side capable of breaking history overvalues them and undervalues the likes of Harris.
With the late declaration say Australia had a 20% chance of winning and it was an 80% chance of being drawn. Would you be prepared to give India a 5% chance of winning if it meant Australia had a 60% chance of winning? I certainly would say yes and back in the bowling attack to get the job done. If India started exceptionally well you could always revert to a more defensive field setting. Ryan Harris has bowled 16+ overs eight times v India and never gone for more than 2.84 an over. He is an exceptional bowler that was never going to get smashed.
With the late declaration say Australia had a 20% chance of winning and it was an 80% chance of being drawn. Would you be prepared to give India a 5% chance of winning if it meant Australia had a 60% chance of winning? I certainly would say yes and back in the bowling attack to get the job done. If India started exceptionally well you could always revert to a more defensive field setting. Ryan Harris has bowled 16+ overs eight times v India and never gone for more than 2.84 an over. He is an exceptional bowler that was never going to get smashed.
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